When a Cajun makes music, it’s not always Cajun music

Dustin Dale Gaspard’s release is Hoping Heaven Got A Kitchen.

By Dominick Cross

On his Hoping Heaven Got A Kitchen release, Dustin Dale Gaspard takes listeners and viewers on a musical journey, one that hits close to home for the singer/songwriter.
“It’s basically taking you on my musical journey between where I’m from in southern Vermilion Parish, all the way back up to Lafayette (where he now resides,)” said Gaspard.
The release is also a nod to his grandparents, whose photos are featured on the front and back covers. Gaspard’s grandmother died during the recording process.
“I said, ‘Man, I just hope heaven got a kitchen because that’s what would make her happy.’ I said it in passing and then when I’m leaving the studio I’m thinking I need to start writing these songs because time’s so short, I need to start melding this gap,” he said. “I need to represent my grandmother’s and grandfather’s stories.”
The process led to the hook in the album’s title song and his grandparents’ photos on the covers. On the front are his mother’s parents, Burton and Margaret Lege; on the back, his father’s parents, Emily and Ronald Gaspard.
You can find music videos of some of the songs all over social media. Gaspard calls the videos, online before the album debuts digitally on February 28, “The Road Release.”
“I wanted to connect all the dots,” he said. “Kind of make it a visual representation, almost like a visual album release.”
All but two songs (This Should Go On Forever and Feed the Flame) are originals on the album Gaspard said, who recorded the album at Chad Viator’s studio.
“He likes to do this thing before we record, he just checks in with me which I always thanked him so much for,” said Gaspard. “It’s when I ended up realizing that he was never in it to do a job. He was always in it for us to make good art and a lot of good art comes from just knowing people. You’ll be able to create better if you’re really comfortable with somebody.”
Viator also plays lead guitar on the release; Lyle Begnaud, steel guitar; Chris French and Kent Beatty, bass; Eric Adcock, keys; Bill Smith, drums; Chris Stafford, fiddle; Blake Miller, accordion/fiddle.
Background vocals: Sarah Russo, Sharona Thomas and Hanna Mitchell. “I wanted it to be like, really raw, truly authentic — somewhere between gospel and just soul and make sure it was all feminine voices that could really carry those call and responses,” said Gaspard.
Wayne Toups, Wilson Savoy, Sweet Cecilia, and Gracie Babineaux can be seen on the music videos, but are not on the release itself. More on that later.

The physical modes of the recording are set to be released March 31 at the album’s CD release party at the Acadiana Center for the Arts.

Bayou Hack Press, personified in the form of of its publisher, Dominick Cross (DC), caught up with Gaspard (DG) as himself, before his Mardi Gras string of gigs to talk about the new release.

DC: Where’d the idea for the videos come from?

DG: I’ve always been a fan of the scenery and landscape out here. It’s always inspired me. And I’m a big fan of movie soundtracks and movie scores and such, and sometimes when I’m just out playing my guitar, I like to envision a whole orchestra of sorts to be the soundtrack for the area. So I guess some of that all ties together, just being out and inspired by the visuals from home.
DC: You’ve got Cajun musicians (Wayne Toups, Wilson Savoy, Gracie Babineaux) on the release, but there’s really no Cajun music. It’s more like folk, Americana…

DG: I was just talking about this the other day about how trying to make it as folk/indie/singer/songwriter out here is just an uphill battle. Everything’s so saturated in the zydeco and Cajun lore, that it’s really hard to break through. And specifically, just to have a sustainable career or gigs that will pay you to be something other than Cajun and zydeco.
I took that as a big negative thing in my youth when I first started performing and thinking that there’s no way — like it was irredeemable — and so it made me turn my back on that. Yet, what I’d ended up coming later to realize is just like it’s so bred in the culture here, that even some of my melodic melodies I was coming up with as folk artist were completely stolen from songs of those genres.
And it was kind of me thinking I needed to find a way to bridge the gap. So on the record itself, I do sing a couple songs in French that there’s French instrumentation. Some of the songs have accordion and some have fiddle. Some have steel guitar in the indie landscape, but it’s still more of a honky tonk instrument which is something that I would have never been open to before until this record.

DC: Guest musicians on the release include Wayne Toups, Wilson Savoy, Gracie Babineaux. That’s the three I’ve seen. Anyone else?

DG: On the live videos, a lot of the artists I’m actually performing with aren’t featured on the record itself. What we’re doing is just doing a more traditional change in arrangement for those videos. Just because it’s easier to travel with (I wouldn’t be able to bring a 10-piece band to Cow Island to play in a field somewhere), but more so to do something different than what’s on the record and not over-do what’s on the record.
We’re going to do one more with Sweet Cecilia. They grew up in that vein of music, too, so I think the last one’s going to be a Cajun jam-style song. Just mainly to pay homage to the music of my grandparents.

DC: What made you go ahead and do this with this vision you had? I can visually see what you had in mind with the videos, of course, but what prompted you?

DG: My musical tastes, like I said, when I started, I was more into very ambient listening songs. I don’t even know how to describe it exactly, but things that just wouldn’t work here. It was a struggle and it was really kind of screwing with me about why I wasn’t as successful as I thought I should be and that’s a very selfish and self-centered thing to think. So, it just took years to find perspective.

Chad (Viator) had been working together for about two years now and I told him I’d had this rumbling, especially since I had the Freetown Sounds as a soul band. We were doing so well and it was mainly because it was live, high-energy rock-and-roll music, which was something that people can get behind over here in the Acadiana bubble where music events come with drinking and dancing; they usually don’t come with, ‘Hey, sit down and just listen to these song.’

So I was telling Chad how one day I wanted to reconcile and find a way to bring them together and maybe that would be both a singer/songwriter and still be a successful performer in this area. When we started talking about that, I started experiencing artists that were venturing out and doing the same thing. Folk artists that I looked up were covering old school soul songs and basically they were doing them straight from the roots with new age instruments, basically.
All these songs that my grandpa listened to, they are at the root of all my songwriting. So I was listening to old swamp pop by Van Broussard and the Rod Bernard tune and Warren Storm and think, ‘Damn. These are awesome songs that I really love and really connect with and I just thought maybe there’d be a new way for me to update that, do them with more folk instrumentation and still get what I wanted out of them, as well as deliver a song that was a lot of people liked.

DC: Are you satisfied with that? Did you reach your goal?

DG: I have never felt like I hit the nail on the head more with some of these ideas. I should mention this. I stumbled upon an old Bobby Charles vinyl and I was like this is exactly what Bobby Charles was doing back in the day. So I just wanted to find a way to meld all that together and have a good chunk of me in there and I think I just kind of grew into the role.

DC: You look at Bobby Charles and he definitely wasn’t a Cajun musician, but he’s Cajun.

DG: That’s the whole thing. I’m never going to be able to play accordion, maybe not even fiddle,” said Gaspard. “But I’m as Cajun as they come. I want people to know that you don’t have to be a Cajun musician to be a voice for these people, you know.

Off the Record

Harp on

The Society for the Preservation and Advancement of the Harmonica, via live broadcast on Youtube recently, let it be known that Jerry Devillier, of Eunice, was selected by a panel of his peers as the recipient of 2020’s “Lifetime Achievement Award.”

SPAH is the largest international harmonica organization which features many of the greatest harmonica players worldwide.

It was part of the organizations award ceremony, August 11-15, that culminates its four days of teaching and live performances to large gatherings of people that usually attend the organization’s conference, held annually at a major city.

Devillier continues to be an ambassador for Cajun music and its culture on a worldwide platform.

Due to the coronavirus/COVID-19 pandemic it was performed on live stream.

Trust-worthy

The Louisiana Trust for Historic Preservation recently honored 10 new award recipients for their impactful efforts to save historic places, build pride and foster engagement in their communities.

Main Street Award – Houma Downtown Development Corporation, Houma
Education Award – Cooley House Foundation, Monroe
Leadership Award – Betty Reed, Lake Providence
Organizational Excellence Award – Morganza Cultural District, Morganza
Stewardship Award – Cameron Preservation Alliance, Sabine Pass Lighthouse Phase 1
Diverse Heritage Award – Gaynell Brady “Our Mammy’s,” New Orleans
Living Trades Award – Dale Pierrottie – Bousillage Specialist, Lafayette
Louisiana Heritage Media Award – Amy & Kelby Ouchley, Rocky Branch
Sue Turner Preservationist of the Year Award – George Marks (NUNU Arts & Cultural Collective), Arnaudville
Winnie Byrd Preservationist Extraordinaire Award – Chee Chee & Lazar “L.J.” Gielen, Crowley
New award categories for this year include Stewardship; Diverse Heritage; Living Trades; and LA Heritage Media Award. If you would like to nominate a person or organization for the 2021 Louisiana Preservation Awards, please contact info@LTHP.org.
For more information about the awards and winners, go here.

French Culture Film Grant winner

The recipient of the 2020 French Culture Film Grant is the narrative short film, “17 Year Locust.”
“17 Year Locust” is written by Trevor Navarre, directed by Logan LeBlanc and produced by Allison Bohl DeHart.

Now in its forth year, the French Culture Film Grant is a unique opportunity designed in partnership with lead sponsor TV5MONDE USA, America’s only 24/7 French language entertainment channel.

“17 Year Locust” synopsis: When a struggling immigrant takes a job as a caregiver to a dying woman, she shares with him a secret that casts a haunting shadow on the American life that he has desperately been pursuing.

#CreateLouisiana announced the award in July.


LFR online classes

Louisiana Folk Roots offers lessons for every skill level, including scratch/beginner, intermediate, and advanced on accordion and fiddle, as well as singing and guitar.
Pre-recorded video lessons with some of Cajun music’s best, Brazos HuvalChad HuvalMegan Brown Constantin, as well as Louisiana French lessons with Codofil-Agence des Affaires Francophones de Louisiane’s Maggie Perkins Justus.

All levels follow the same five songs:

“Le Moulin” by Adam Hebert https://youtu.be/CYpuHiZ-zTw
; “Amite Casse” by Horace Trahan https://youtu.be/JsWzzznjNb4
; “Mon Coeur Fait Mal” by Racine https://youtu.be/1QtXvR8XqX8; 
“I Don’t Hurt Anymore” by Nathan Abshire https://youtu.be/3dK7JmFl3Hc; 
“Jolie Fille” by The Touchet Family https://youtu.be/HNi8Ru96MHQ
There are also lyric sheets and vocabulary sheets, as well as resource guides in all of the appropriate lessons.

Look for more content in the coming months.

A suggested donation is $100 or less. For more info, go to www.lafolkroots.org.

‘American Longhair’ vinyl reissue

Dege Legg’s “Folk Songs of the American Longhair” is out on vinyl for its 10th anniversary.

From Brother Dege on Facebook: “Been a long, up & down, wild ass journey, my loves. Much thx to you for taking the ride with me. In many ways, it’s only just beginning. Keep fighting the good fight out there in whatever way it is you do it. Cheers.”
Go here for album.

As you know, “Too Old to Die Young” was featured in the Quentin Tarantino film, “Django Unchained.” But there’s more: “Frankly, every track on Brother Dege’s Folk Songs of the American Longhair CD could have been in the movie [Django Unchained]. It has a badass score sound to it. Almost every song could be a theme song. It’s like a greatest hits album. But this song ‘Too Old to Die Young’… it’s pretty damn badass. And it’s used in the movie in a pretty damn badass way, I’ve got to say.” – Quentin Tarantino

Renée Reed’s new deed

Renée Reed follows up her captivating debut single “Out Loud” with “Until Tomorrow,” an effortless, inspired union of the haunting folk music that she was raised on and a lilting, lost ’60s French-pop gem on the Keeled Scales label.

Renée is the daughter of musicians Lisa Kaye Trahan and Mitch Reed.

Language & cultural preservation

Although French is spoken less with each passing generation in south Louisiana, some are fighting to preserve the language and keep their traditions alive.

Check out the report from France 24’s Fanny Allard here.

Upcoming and recently released music that may well interest you:

July 1, 2020
Sean Ardoin: Came Thru Pullin’ (Zydekool)
Cameron Dupuy and the Cajun Troubadours: Cameron Dupuy and the Cajun Troubadours (Independent)
Beth Patterson & Hugh Morrision: Iron Roux (EP) (Dun Eistein)
Supercharmer: Magically Bodacious! (Independent)
Warren Storm with Herb Landry & the Serenaders: Live 1957  (Swamp Pop Records)

July 3, 2020
Bobby Mitchell: Try Rock And Roll (Jasmine)
subdudes: Lickskillet (Independent)

July 10, 2020
Johnette Downing and Dickie Knickerbocker: New Moon, Tunes for Little Folks (Independent)

July 13, 2020
Maceo Parker: Soul Food: Cooking With Maceo (featuring a large cast of New Orleans Musicians) (Funk Garage)

July 15, 2020
Monique Bornstein & James Andrews: Born in the Treme (BOOK)  (Independent)
Kidd Jordan: Last Trane to New Orleans (Independent)

July 17, 2020
Gregg Martinez: Mac Daddy Mojeaux (NOLA Blue Records)
Michot’s Melody Makers: Cosmic Cajuns from Saturn (Nouveau Electric Records)

July 24, 2020
Billie Davies: Whadeva (Independent)

August  1, 2020
New Orleans Johnnys: Outta Ya Mind Masters (Independent)

September, 2020
Chris Joseph: Life is a Ride: Overcoming Cancer in Unconventional Ways (BOOK) (Threadhead)
Ingrid Lucia: t.b.a. (Independent)

Fall 2020
Maggie Koerner: Images (Concord Records)

Release dates not yet announced
Big Chief Donald Harrison Jr.: The Eclectic Jazz Revolution of Unity (Independent)
Keith Burnstein’s Kettle Black: Things That Are Heavy Make Me Feel Light (Independent)
Little Maker: The Salty Seas We Used to Know (Independent)
Jeremy Davenport: t.b.a. (Basin Street)
Nicholas Payton with the Simphonieorchester, Basel: Black American Symphony (BMF)

Released in June 2020
Johnny Adams & Lee Dorsey: Johnny Adams Meets Lee Dorsey (Jasmine)
Jeff Albert: Unanimous Sources (Breakfast for Dinner Records)
Bad Moon Lander: Chinese Lanterns (Bubble Bath Records)
Jimmy Buffett: Life on the Flip Side (Mailboat Records)
Grayson Capps: South Front Street: A Retrospective 1997-2019 (Royal Potato Family)
Bobby Charles: Alligators, Sprockets & Bended Knees (Jasmine)
Dr. John: Ske Dat De Dat  (Limited reissue on vinyl) (Last Music Company)
John Lisi & Delta Funk: Retox (Rabadash Records)
Little Death: Little Death (Strange Daisy Records)
Wynton Marsalis: Black Codes (From the Underground) (Reissued from Sony Records) (Music on CD)
Mighty Brother: The Rabbit, The Owl (Independent)
New Orleans Jazz Vipers: Is There a Chance for Me (Independent)
Professor Longhair: The Bach of Rock (Sunset Blvd)
Some Antics: Some Antics (Independent)
The Write Brothers: Into the Sky (Threadhead Records)
Various Artist: Boppin’ by the Bayou: Feel So Good, Volume 22 (Ace)
Various Artist: Cry You One (Soundtrack) (ArtSpot)
Various Artists: Prison Music Project Sessions (featuring Ani DiFranco, Terence Higgins, Zoe Boekbinder, and more)(Righteous Babe Records)
Johnny Vidacovich: ’bout Time  (Independent)

Shane K. Bernard shines some new light on his late father, and pioneer of swamp pop, Rod Bernard

Rod Bernard (August 12, 1940 – July 12, 2020)

By Dominick Cross

When Rod Bernard died this month, swamp pop music lost a pioneer and Shane K. Bernard lost a father.

Bernard, who died July 12, 2020, was 79.

For me, as a journalist, one of the biggest drags of the occupation is to interview the friends, and, especially, family members of someone who has died. I’ve always been uncomfortable with such an assignment; they’ve always made me feel like an interloper.

So when I hadn’t heard back from Shane K. Bernard after a few days, I was quietly relieved. Still, I was content to talk to others about his father and had enough for a story.

And then he returned the call.

Bernard apologized and said he had been dealing with the details and such related to his father’s passing. For me, it is totally understandable and no apology necessary.

In the process of our conversation, Bernard began talking about his father’s death, and I mean the moment thereof, and I felt he needn’t recall the ordeal; I didn’t want to put him through it again.

According to Shane Bernard, Rod Bernard worked in radio and television for his entire life. He landed his first radio program on KSLO around age 10, and for many years in the 1960s he deejayed, sold airtime, and served as a program director at KVOL radio in Lafayette.

However, Bernard, historian and curator to McIlhenny Company and Avery Island, Inc., and author of several books, including Swamp Pop: Cajun and Creole Rhythm and Blues (University Press of Mississippi), saw it differently.

In an email after the interview, Bernard wrote: “By the way, I didn’t mind telling you about Dad’s final moments: the point of it was, he was fine one minute, walking around the house, and then short of breath the next. Within a minute or so he lost consciousness and never re-woke. He did not suffer, and went quickly. 

“I wouldn’t mind if his fans knew that, as I know it might give them some relief to know it was not a bad ending to his life.”

Rod Bernard’s death is not at all related to the coronavirus/COVID-19 pandemic.

“He’d been having trouble in recent months with his vocal cords just as far as speaking,” said Shane Bernard. “He didn’t speak above a loud whisper, if that’s such a thing. But he had good days and bad days.”

Bernard noted that his father’s last public performance was in 2015 at the Ponderosa Stomp, an American roots music festival. “And he was supposed to sing, as I remember, three songs. But he ran out of breath into the second song and managed to finish it.

Rod Bernard at the Ponderosa Stomp, October 2, 2015. Guitarist Charles Adcock in the background. Gene Tomko, photo

“But he couldn’t sing the third song,” said Bernard. “So he kind of gave up singing at that point.”

It would be the last time Rod Bernard would perform in public. However, it wasn’t the first time he’d stopped singing.

It was 1975 and “dad was still, you know, flirting with the idea of becoming a big star and he’d thought about moving to Nashville and that sort of thing,” said Shane Bernard.

In the meantime, Rod Bernard had a career going at KLFY-TV 10 that would go on for 30 years. He was an advertising executive and on-air talent, including the host of Saturday Hop, a teen dance program that once featured Little Richard with Jimi Hendrix in tow.

Rod Bernard and the Twisters.

The Bernards lived in Lafayette. A friend and neighbor was a Lafayette native who would move to Nashville and make a name for himself as a country music singer and songwriter.

Bernard said his father asked his friend to write him a song.

“My dad said, ‘If you could write me a hit song, I think that if I recorded it, it would restart my music career just because of the small amount of name recognition I already have from 1959,’” said Bernard, referring to the song “This Should Go On Forever” that put the local singer on Dick Clark’s TV program, American Bandstand.

The songwriter had written song that he believed to be a hit and gave it to his friend.

Rod Bernard recorded the song.

However, a session musician at the time, said Shane Bernard, also liked the song and wanted to record it himself.

This person, Bernard said, asked the recording engineer for a copy of the master tape and re-cut the song with his own band. He got the song leased to a major label “and it became a national hit,” said Bernard. “And, he released it before dad’s version.

“That’s not illegal, but it was highly unethical,” said Bernard. As a result, it managed to put an end to his father’s aspirations to go big time. “I noticed, all of a sudden, music wasn’t fun anymore after that.

“He did it for money, playing on the weekend, but he really didn’t enjoy it anymore,” the son said. “I never even really ever heard him listening to music all that much.”

About a decade later, Oscar “Ric” Bernard, who’d played lead guitar and bass in his brother Rod’s band, exacted a small measure of revenge on the singer who absconded with his brother’s song.

Oscar Bernard graduated as a physics major from University of Southwestern Louisiana and went to work for Boeing “and was subcontracted to NASA on the Apollo missions,” said Shane Bernard. “He’s just a brilliant guy.”

“I asked him for music lessons one time when I was in high school. I just wanted to learn how to play ‘Smoke on the Water,’” Bernard recalled. What he got instead was a lesson in music theory. “We never touched the guitar.”

Dick Clark, left, interviews Rod Bernard about his Top 20 hit, “This Should Go On Forever,”
on Dick Clark’s American Bandstand in 1959.

After Oscar Bernard left aerospace, he worked as a petroleum engineer and lived in Houston.

As it happened, Uncle Oscar was tooling around in his car and came upon a honky tonk with a familiar name on its marquee.

“It’s the guy who stole the song,” said Shane Bernard. “So Oscar stops and he goes in. And in-between songs, Oscar goes up to the guy.” He asked the singer if he recorded the song in question.

The singer was thrilled that he was remembered for the song.

“And Uncle Oscar says, ‘Well, I’m Rod Bernard’s brother.’ And the guy goes, ‘Aw, man. I’m so sorry about what happened,’” said Benard. “And then my uncle said, ‘Your mom must be proud of you.’ And then he walked out.”

Just prior to the unethical incident, the swamp pop crooner and the King of Zydeco, Clifton Chenier, got together to record “Boogie in Black & White,” a 10-song album with R&B, rock and roll and blues.

At the time of the 1976 recording, Chenier was in-between contracts, “So dad said, ‘Hey, man, while you’re free, could we do an album together because I’ve always wanted to do that because you’re one of my heroes,’” Bernard said. “They both grew up in Opelousas and they knew each other.”

Rod Bernard had a novel approach to the recording.

“Then dad says, ‘Let’s not even really rehearse. Let’s just get together and jam and we’ll do the cuts live. We won’t worry about messing up or anything.’ So that’s what happened.”

“If you notice,” he said. “There’s not zydeco or swamp pop. They’re sort of blues, ’50’s R&B recordings.”

The songs include “Kansas City,” “My Babe,” “Shake, Rattle & Roll,” “Baby, What You Want Me to Do?” and “My Babe,” and may well have been selected by Rod Bernard.

Shane Bernard said he found a song list the elder Bernard wrote in a notebook.

“So it looks like he was putting together a track listing of things he wanted to record,” said Bernard. “And he even wrote the lyrics down and the key of the song and everything. So that’s why I think he chose the tracks.”

In it’s own way, the album, recorded live over two-nights in Ville Platte for Floyd Soileau’s Jin label, was more than songs on vinyl, it was also a statement about race relations.

Music writer Michael Tisserand wrote: “The title of their project made it clear that the musicians had succeeded in crossing the color barrier.”

Zydeco and swamp pop legends got together, yet neither genre made the 1976 album.

And the racial make-up of the musicians on the album seem to back that up with Rod Bernard, vocals; Clifton Chenier, vocals/accordion; Warren Storm, drums; Cleveland Chenier, scrub board; Glenn Himel, piano; James Stelly, guitar; Joe Hill, bass; and John Hart, sax.

In his tribute to Bernard on the commission’s website blog, Herman Fuselier, music writer and executive director of the St. Landry Tourist Commission, also made note of the collaboration.

“The title raised some eyebrows as public schools had just been integrated six years earlier,” Fuselier wrote. Read more here.

While the originators of the swamp pop are aging (yet, some still recording, such as Tommy McClain with Warren Storm on drums) and, sadly, even dying (such as Huey “Cookie” Thierry, Lil’ Alfred, Clint West and Bobby Charles), what does the future portend for the genre?

“Actually, I find swamp pop to be in much better shape now than when I wrote my book (‘Swamp Pop,’ 1996). It seemed a lot closer to dying out back then,” said Bernard. “My wife is a big swamp pop fan and so are her parents. They’re from down around Franklin.”

Bernard said the Franklin area and Morgan City and “on the east side of the Atchafalaya, people are swamp pop nuts. Even today,” he said. “I can’t even explain it because, from my research, swamp pop seems to be born and developed primarily on the west side of the Atchafalaya and even as far west as East Texas.

“If I had to pinpoint an area where swamp pop came from, I would say it was around Opelousas, Eunice, that area,” Bernard continued. “That’s kind of borne out by Earl King who said that he first heard that sound in the Eunice area.”

Swamp pop gigs were regular at night clubs and dancehalls in the region and thereabouts, such as the Southern Club, the Green Lantern and the Step-In.

“Now, swamp pop is really big on the other side of the Atchafalaya while it’s not so big here anymore,” said Bernard, adding that a number of radio stations from Morgan City and eastward “play a huge amount of swamp pop.

“They have a lot of swamp pop concerts, a lot of swamp pop shows at night clubs, and you’ve got this younger generation (Ryan Foret & Foret Tradition) that came along,” he said. “And there are other second and third generation swamp pop bands that are very popular and very active from Morgan City east to the New Orleans area.”

While it has been some 45 years since Rod Bernard’s interest in music had waned, that all changed, and, not too long ago.

“He did start again, recently, because my son, who’s 15, is becoming a pretty good guitarist,” Bernard said. “So he and my dad would shut themselves up in a room at my house and listen to the blues and rhythm & blues from the ’50s, early ’60’s.

“It was basically my dad introducing my son to music that my dad really liked.”